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My Head Is Exploding…

Filed under: General — lara at 8:24 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2007

My husband and son are having a nearly heated argument about the boy cleaning his shit-hole of a bedroom.  The kid is coming up with some very passionate arguments about his “system,” which evidently includes filing folded up pieces of paper “that one of his teacher’s might ask for” all over the floor.  This system also extends, apparently, to the mix of clean and dirty clothes strewn about.  And don’t even ask about the closet, believe me that you don’t want to know.  The kid is pointing out to the old man that you can’t exert your ”value system” on another person - and that the two of them have a different value system.  The old man is pointing out that he is not asking him to worship a different god or change his ideological beliefs - just to pick the crap up off of his floor.  

Here is me, on the porch, listening - screaming inside my head but keeping my mouth clamped tight.  My contribution would likely be of the “I PUT A ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD,” or “YOU NEVER LIFT A FINGER AROUND HERE” or better still “YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PLACE.”  Whether my argument is right or wrong, it will add nothing but ill feelings to the debate at hand.  So I sit, and grit the teeth, and know that the old man will prevail because he rarely lets ‘nearly heated’ become an actual argument.  He meets accusations with measured responses, addresses sarcasm with rationales, asks challenging questions when faced with faulty logic.  I remember having these exact same arguments with my mother - but she pulled the authoritarian line with me and my room got cleaned by me because the alternative was her cleaning it for me, with a Hefty bag (and it wasn’t an idle threat, she had done it).  So, although I quite strongly suspect that the kid’s arguments regarding his filing system and his values are somewhat (maybe mostly) related to not wanting to attack the huge project of putting that 12′x12′ dump into some semblence of order, the other piece of it - and perhaps the most significant - is his sense of autonomy.  I hoisted the “It’s MY Room!!” argument on my mom and although a part of it was fueled by straight-up laziness, another part really was about what I considered to be a piece of my value system at the time - that being that neatness and order and cleanliness and, maybe most of all, keeping up appearances, was not as important to me as it was to her.  So, although my first, reactionary instinct is to say he’s avoiding cleaning his room out of sheer laziness, I have to recognize that those ”value” arguments are not necessarily the smoke screen that it would be easy to catagorize them as.  Sure, we could say Dammit, clean up your room because I said so!!  We are the parents and we supposedly have that right.  But the kid is 17, he’s not hardly a kid anymore.  Shit, I was out on my own by the time I was his age - and my first apartment was a mess.  I lived out all that slovenliness just like I had always wanted the right to do.  And it got old after not too long.  Maybe forcing him to clean his room is not necessarily teaching him some important life lesson.  Maybe it’s easier to just close his bedroom door when company comes - not because it’s easier to not have to fight about it, but easier because in the end, he’ll find his own way through.  If his filing system really and truly is folded up pieces of paper on the floor then so be it, if it’s really not - he’ll let go of the pretense and find what truly works for him……eventually.  Unfortunately, probably not while living in this house.  *sigh*

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Comment by Chucking Husband

Wednesday May 16 2007 @ 4:34 am

That’s funny!! I figured you were in earshot of that conversation and I was a little surprised you didn’t add a ‘zinger’. I began to wonder if you didn’t catch any of it after all.

Yeah, I agree with all of that, but don’t worry. I think the sentiment of that debate will ultimately appeal to his conscience and he’ll acquiesce (at least to some degree…I hope).

Over the years I have often (but really, not too often) had the opportunity to ‘argue’ with Randy. He does articulate himself very well, and he can draw rationale from his mental arsenal very quickly. I’m not that fast so he keeps me on my toes. Hopefully that’s a skill that will serve him well through his life (whether he become an advocate for the disenfranchised or political despot…unfortunately, it works both ways, we’ll have to see).

You are cute, sitting on the front porch blogging about this silliness, then e-mailing me to check out your latest entry. I love you.

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Comment by Chucking Husband

Wednesday May 16 2007 @ 4:37 am

You know, that’s supposed to be ‘chuckling husband’, but maybe ‘chucking’ husband is more fitting. I don’t know why, other than that it’s a goofy mistake. I’ll go with it.

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Comment by Jon (was) in Michigan

Wednesday May 16 2007 @ 4:49 am

Oh joy. I have seven years to prepare for that argument. Not that the kid’s room isn’t a mess right now, but at the moment he hasn’t pulled the “value system” argument out. I would have to counter with “This is a dictatorship until you are 18. The law says you have my value system until then.”

Heh.

Since he’s homeschooled, I can get his teacher in on it, and force him to write a report about value systems. :D

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Comment by Dawn - Pink Chick

Thursday May 17 2007 @ 7:03 pm

Oh I so remember those days from when I was a kid. From when my daughter was a kid and lol lately here at home with hubby. Lately I have no time to clean, the place is a mess and hubby loves to nag…lol. I just say do it yourself and go for my run…lol.

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Comment by david

Sunday May 20 2007 @ 12:36 pm

My 19 year old was known around here as Slug 2. His older brother was Slug 1 but he left the house and the nickname four years ago.
Slug 2 had a room much like your son’s. Then he went away to college, to a roommate more slovely than he. What a difference that made. Now he’s the neatnik. Yes, these things do pass.
On the other hand he is home for the summer and still leaves the freezer open, glasses and dishes all over the place, and is stealing my beer. Brat.

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Comment by jeanne

Tuesday May 22 2007 @ 7:47 pm

um, i probably shouldn’t point out what MY bedroom looks like right now. (the door is shut.)

I love CHUCKING husband. Chuck him right over here, will ya?

this too shall pass. good job keeping your mouth shut. You’re a better man than I, gunga din.

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Comment by Susan

Thursday May 24 2007 @ 6:32 am

I find myself cleaning Kenza’s room to avoid hearing such arguments between her and my husband . . . she’s only nine and I often wonder if she will ever learn to clean her room on her own.

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Comment by christine

Thursday May 24 2007 @ 9:22 pm

the MAIN reason we did the whole room makeover was to try and instill a little pride in M…. so far it seems to be working….granted she’s only 11….

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